Lisa…this is a terrible situation you are in. Strangely we all are in a similar situation, if not as immediately existential. The left everywhere hates where they are and are working around the clock to Destroy all that is good. It is existential everywhere though. We are just a bit behind Israel.
The left and its dreams of a two state solution and a Hebrew speaking Sweden went up in smoke in 10/7 We need more Ahavas Yisrael and Achdus and the eradication of Sinas Chinam especially with those who are hashkafically far to the left or the right of us but a willingness to fight their views but not the sinner whose knowledge of anything Jewish is pitifully low or nonexistent RL
Did "the left" learn anything from their mistakes that got them raped and massacred en masse and continues to get Jews killed? Did they about face from their decision that the invisible constitution of Israel states that "the right of Jewish subjects of the state to bear arms shall not be abided"? Did they stop using the army as a political tool? Have they stopped using the arabs as a mechanism for class warfare? Have they decided that an effective military is more important than "keeping those disgusting dosim" out of the Matkal? Have they utilized a population triple that of 1973 to win a single war since then? Have they acted as if the arabs *do* want to kill us all and aren't acting out due to "socioeconomic conditions"?
You leftists got yourselves slaughtered, you leftists continue to sleep in the bed you made for yourselves. The pity and sorrow dried up after a year and a half of political games during an existential war. You might want to be king of the ashes, but in this neighborhood that's a one way trip to getting the Assad treatment, at best.
Israel was attacked, Israelis were slaughtered. Your hatred of Arabs seems only to be outweighed by your hatred of "leftist" Jews.
And what "invisible constitution" are you talking about? Did Israel at some point adopt the US Bill of Rights in your mind? And what is your paranoid delusion about religious not being allowed in "matcal"?
What caused the 7th to be so terrible (although maybe you disagree, it seems like you enjoyed it) was multifaceted, but clearly a big part was the army being repositioned away from the strip. Unless you're saying Ben Gvir is a "leftist", then you're throwing a lot of shade at the wrong party.
Are you completely unaware that the IDF brass was told over and over that an attack was coming, and that they shut those warnings down? Are you utterly oblivious to the fact that people were threatened with severe repercussions should they continue raising the alarm? Because those are the facts. Not your hysterical nonsense about Ben Gvir dragging the IDF away from Gaza.
"The IDF, which has been pushing for a 'small and smart army' and has been saying 'Hamas is deterred' for almost a decade now, didn't have enough soldiers so moving 2 companies (160 men) to guard a second front caused Oct 7. This is Ben Gvir's fault."
No, ofc it's not their fault. It's that other group with the state monopoly on violence that shuttered multiple divisions, sold off its reservists gear, sent half the soldiers home Erev Shabbat, confiscated the kitots guns in 2018... and do you want me to keep going?
Do any of you hateful people here actually do anything for this country? Did you spend this last year in uniform? Did you open your homes? Do you volunteer with emergency services?
Because I've never seen such sick garbage come out of anyone who does. I must assume you all are in insular communities, because otherwise I don't know how you could all be so pleased at an attack on Jews, and decide that it was deserved because you disagree politically!
No one is pleased about it. Tell me a single thing I said in my blog that even suggests that I'm pleased about it. I'm *angry*. But not just at the vermin who attacked us. I'm angry that asshats like you are so full of hatred (and so willing to project that hatred onto us) that you only care about Oct 7 *because* it was attacks against the "good" Israelis. The "right kind" of Israelis.
Listen to you fulminating. "Do any of you do anything for this country". That's the rhetoric of slime like Tommy Lapid and his spawn. Yes, I opened my home. Yes, I volunteer. Yes, I give blood. I had to get a note from my doctor, because they require that if you're older than 60, but I wanted to do what I could.
You've turned this into some bullshit about me criticizing our soldiers, which I never did, or rejoicing over the peacetards who were killed, which I never did.
What's wrong with me is people like you. You absolutely view the 7th as deserved, you likened it to suicide.
You make up your masturabtory fantasy that if the 7th had occurred elsewhere that left wing Israelis wouldn't care, because that justifies your hatred of the left.
Sadly, Shaun, it's no fantasy. And what spurred me to write this blog entry was specifically the fact that even some of the people who were attacked on Oct 7 are saying that they understand that people like you would have just made snarky comments about it had right wing or religious communities been the victims.
You're going to tell Avida Bachar, who lost his wife and son on Oct 7, that he's spouting "masturbatory fantasies"?
And I didn't liken it to suicide for everyone. But for Vivian Silver, and other vicious "kill the state for peace" idiots, I absolutely did. And do. And will.
What is it with the oral fixation of low iq people? "You presented cold hard facts that prove me a retard? You must give blowjobs!" Remember, don't chuck your jello at the aides in a fit of rage again, otherwise you go back to the padded room.
Bibi is to blame for this situation. Not as badly as the IDF leadership, not as badly as Esther Hayut for whom you so pine for, and especially not as badly as you kochot Kaplan people, but he is in part to blame.
Did Ben Gvir run Ofir Winter out of the IDF for wanting to aggressively combat hamas in 2014 and constantly block the the promotions of anyone to the right of Bibi? Did Ben Gvir disarm the kitot in 2018? Was it Ben Gvir that declared Ben Gvir's work to expand private gun ownership (which ended more than a dozen terror attacks) following the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, illegal? Did Ben Gvir tell the IDF theyd be investigated if they didnt stop kneecapping people approaching the gaza border? No? Weird.
Israel, a kritarchy, has no visibly written constitution. Fortunately for the dumb, blind, and helpless Jews, the benevolent Supreme Court justices have special glasses that allow them to read the invisible Israeli constitution.
You and your tribe caused the the worst atrocities against the Jewish people since the Holocaust on your most ardent supporters. Own it.
You have a long list of grievances. I do too. The difference between us is that I don't think my list means that you should be raped and killed, or that if you were, it would be your fault.
I suppose number one on my list, is that you do think I deserve that (based upon nothing more than I disagree that left had it coming).
Expressed preference versus revealed preference. You state you don't want Jews to be raped and murdered while simultaneously supporting every policy that guarantees they'll be raped and murdered. Therefore we can intuit that you support the rape and murder of Jews.
If you strap a steak to your balls in front of a rabid dog and tell everyone who tells you "that dog's going to bite you" that they're "canists", when it bites you in the balls, that's on you.
1. What genocide? If we wanted to go after all Arab states, then we have a hell of job ahead of us. But there is absolutely no reason to do such a thing. Jews are currenty only responsible for what takes place in the Land of Israel and only those outside of Israel who threaten us. Oh. I guess you're thinking about these "people," the ones we're not allowed to defend ourselves against. We're just supposed to sit there and take it and then do a half ass job, and then wait for them to do it again. https://esseragaroth.substack.com/p/the-pseudostinians
2. I'm a real Zionist, believing that Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish People, the source of which is repeated many times in the Torah.
3. Funny, today I ate with friends in a restaurant along with quite a few Arabs, including those visibly religious Muslims. You they can eat kosher meat, since it is slaughtered in God's name. They would prefer Hallal, I would imagine, but Kosher does the job.
4. I was telling these friends how much I cannot stand hasbarah, slobbering over non-Jews to get them to believe the "truth" and that we're like them. But I am happy to take the time to communicate this to someone who might possibly be a Jew.
Lisa, I think you need to meet more people in Israel, I really do. Most of us Israelis are centrists, and those on the left and right can be wonderful people, all who believe firmly in a Jewish future. I have friends from settlements in the West Bank and uber-leftists in Tel Aviv. I encourage you to meet more people, forge more connections, hold more dialogue - I understand the bitterness you're holding, but the way forward is unity and respect and love for each other. Don't contribute to the problem; be part of the solution.
You may. And I have friends who are leftists as well. Not uber-leftists, because if we're using the term the same way, they have ill will towards the very idea of a Jewish state.
I seriously dislike this text. First, the’s no “left” in Israel. Just some individuals like Ofer Casif. The population is divided to hawkish and moderates. What this person wanted to convey was that the massacre caused them to wake up from false assumptions. When they realized that the Gazans who had worked for them had also spied for Hamas indicating who lives in each house, who has a dog etc. their understanding about these people came to a chilling realization who we are against. I call myself a moderate, but I have no empathy whatsoever to the Muslims. If they can’t find a meaningful leadership, they will suffer and it’s their own fault!!
And, yes, Ehud Barak is NOT George Soros! I’m not especially fond of him as a character, but he is the exact opposite of this ghetto Jew Soros. After all, Ehud Barak is the country’s most decorated soldier.
I'm sorry you dislike it. You also think Zionism is a failed idea. I'm not entirely sure why that's supposed to matter to me, but okay, you raised the issue.
No, there *is* a left in Israel. They've been trying to push the Overton Window to the point that a milquetoast like Netanyahu can be labeled "extreme right wing" with a straight face. A man who has been carrying out leftist policies since he was elected.
Ehud Barak is absolutely George Soros. "Most decorated soldier"? He's a traitorous swine. Read my article Ehud Barak's Plot Against Israel for some details. He has funded the Kaplanistas for the past 2-3 years. He is a destroyer. He'd let the whole country burn just to watch the pretty flames.
Yes, I think zionism is a failed idea. The Jews did not come to Israel when it was possible. I consider that a failure. The wast majority of Jews came as refugees, not least the mizrachi/sfaradi Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the arab world. That is the majority of Israels ethnically background.
To me, zionism is patriotism (as the word more or less means in Hebrew). Our present government consists of people like the haredim who never spent a day in the army as well as Ben-Gvir and Smotrich. You see, serving in the army is an obligation as well as a privilege. Everybody in my family has served.
I do agree that Netanyahu is a “lefty”. I don’t care what he is, but the guy cannot make a simple decision just about anything. Therefore, he is not a leader. He specializes on riding on the success of the nation and taking credit if it. Just my personal opinion.
By the way, the army is also keeping peace in YoSh. Every soldier does it regardless of their political views. I did so when I was called and thought that that’s how it should be. As long as a certain segment of the population are exempted from service, do not taint the segment that has done innumerable amount of service days (often risking their lives!).
Just like every soldier participated in the 2005 ethnic cleansing of Gush Katif?
And while the haredim are who everyone talks about, there are more effete, elite, Shenkin types who pay a shrink to say they're too delicate to serve than there are haredim who don't. And let's please not forget the Arabs. They're equal citizens or they aren't equal citizens. The fact that they don't even do alternative national service to "carry the burden" and no one cries out about it shows that the haredi thing is a little more anti-haredism than simply wanting an equally shared burden.
And yes, I'm aware that some of them serve. It's a pathetically small number, and it's utterly optional.
Also, there've been many, *many* attempts to get the IDF to make itself suitable for haredim to serve. They have adamantly insisted on maintaining the IDF as a socializing tool, designed to de-haredi-ize the haredim. No wonder they don't serve. Let them serve without violating their religious convictions, and they will.
Look, Lisa, I don’t have any doubts that you hate people like me. You’re ready to tolerate us as long as we contribute to your plans. But to appreciate different way of thinking is not in the lexicon.
Pay attention to tiny difference between the Shenkinist who pay to the shrink and the haredim. The Shenkinist and the shrink blatantly break the law and they are not driving a law in the Knesset to make it legal. The haredim are violating the law as a group and try to make it legal! The army didn’t make any adjustments when I went in or for any of my family members. I couldn’t even ask for such favor. That’s the way it has to be.
And, yes, I agree. The arabs have to serve as well. The Druse do and their casualty number is proportionally higher than that of Jews. Hence, I would hope you changed the “hok haleom” accordingly (before the hok hahistamtut).
I believe the “ethnic cleansing” in Gush Katif was executed by a Likud government. A government of the “left” could never had done it. In any case, it was the decision of the legal government.
I have only one question that still bothers me. When the Jews live in every corner of YoSh and Gaza, what will be the status of the arab population there. Like: Will they become Israeli citizens? Will they be expelled? See, I live in the real world and, therefore, those questions must be addressed up front. I have had enough of the “Oh, it will be OK” concept.
First of all, I don't hate people like you. I find when leftists accuse us of hating them, it's more projection than anything else.
Second of all, the founders of this country explicitly wanted haredi Judaism to die out. But it's not going anywhere. And faced with "The army didn't make any adjustments for me; that's the way it has to be" and not serving, what do you think they're going to do?
Like it or not, they -- along with their religious culture -- are an integral part of the Jewish People, and they are not going to suffer their culture to be destroyed by people who disdain them. Nor should they.
As far חוק הלאום, I think it was pretty stupidly done.
In fact, the ethnic cleansing in 2005 was done by Sharon. He allowed the Likud to have a referendum, and then chose to ignore the results. Or did you think we lived in a democracy?
And as far as I'm concerned, there are two options with regard to the Arabs of Judea and Samaria:
1. A "Palestinian state" is created elsewhere (as in the Three State Solution -- https://starways.net/3SS/), in which case we treat them like foreign residents, who can stay as non-citizens unless they engage in any sort of anti-Israel activity whatsoever, in which case we deport them to Palestine
2. We declare their Jordanian citizenship to have been illegally stripped from them by King Hussein (which it was) and treat them, as foreign residents, who can stay as non-citizens unless they engage in any sort of anti-Israel activity, in which case we deport them to Jordan.
But Jews must be able to live anywhere in our land. And there must be a zero tolerance policy for PalNazi attacks. Anyone engaging them, or publicly celebrating them, or found to have conspired in them, needs to be deported. It's kind of insane that this even needs to be said. No nation is required to allow the presence of people trying to destroy it.
But I agree with you on one point. This "Oh, it will be okay" bullshit needs to end. The fact that Netanyahu had no "Day After" plan doesn't mean that no one did. It simply meant that he didn't. That he *couldn't*. Because the only sane "Day After" plan goes so much against his "nation like all the nations" fixation. I refer you to https://lisaliel.substack.com/p/moshe-feiglin-is-back for some actual leadership.
OK, can I trust that we are not called “bogdim” and “smolanim” because it feels really to send people like my son to Gaza (twice) when part of the nation feels like that towards us.
Please, don’t use the term “ethnic clenching” in this context. Both side had the same ethnicity, so it doesn’t fit.
To me your idea of three state solution is just a pipe dream. When serious countries, like the US, show any interest in it. I don’t have a problem. I’m more worried about keeping permanent residents indefinitely. To me, it will backfire catastrophically. So, we’ll see how this plays out. I’m not optimistic as I don’t want any if them as Israeli citizens.
The founders of this country did not think that way. Actually they had more burning things to care for. There used to be no haredi ministers in the government, because in their opinion the state was created in sin. Never mind, not a critical point for me.
I’m amazed, though, that the haredim are so weak in their conviction that they cannot be trusted to serve in the army, because they will leave their way of life??? That’s the depth of your conviction? So, they stay haredim only if they are kept there by force and coercion.
That’s fine! Your way of using language in characterizing your opposition (like Barak and myself) within your (??) own people makes me feel, like I said earlier, hated. So, let’s leave it at that.
I find this disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. The "left" who thinks of you as "subhuman", and so you feel free to attack includes those who have spent the last 400 plus days in uniform, fighting and dying for everyone in this country.
The naive on the left, the ones that were slaughtered and raped and tortured on the 7th, they made mistakes. But you speak poorly of them now, equate that day to suicide (I cannot fathom how you could write that without vomiting) while the "right" is doing everything it can to actually allow this country to slowly kill itself. Trying to allow even more Haredi draft dodging, so that, within 20 years HALF of this country will neither serve in the IDF nor contribute to financially.
Honestly, at least the Arabs are honest in their genocidal attempt. It's hard not to prefer them to fifth column like you, that sees the 7th as a chance to cast aspersions on the victims.
How can you have such a stunning lack of empathy for half the country? You have written the most vile and disgusting post here. You attack your fellow Jews (if you are a Jew), and imply that they deserved the 7th. You are the wicked child on Passover, "what does all this mean to YOU". The 7th was an attack on Bnei Yisrael. If you don't feel as though it was an attack on you, then you are no better than JVP, or bTselem.
There's a huge load of irony in you saying this. You know damn well that if the attack had been on Bnei Yisrael in, say, Gush Etzion, you wouldn't have given two shits.
You can go to hell. That is a load of shit. Everything you have said has been nothing but lies (more secular Israelis dodge than haredi? Are you fucking mental?)
You fucking seem to be reveling that it's left wingers who were killed, and then get on your high horse and accuse the people who were actually killed of hypothetically not caring! You actually don't give a shit about this. You are absolute trash.
The IDF spans the political spectrum, from the far left to the far right. The only population noticeably missing is the draft dodging Haredi. You do not speak for the army, you do not speak for miluimnikim, and your divisive rhetoric only serves the enemies of Israel.
20% of our population is Arab, yet other than a tiny number of exceptions, they don't even do sherut leumi.
As far as draft dodging, more wealthy secularists get out of the army by paying for a shrink's note saying they're too damn delicate to serve than haredim who don't serve.
The army has insisted, for as long as the state has existed, on being a tool of socialization. Secular socialization. There has never been a real attempt to make the army accessible to the haredim. That's because the army doesn't want to. And because the left would rather have them to use as a rallying cry.
Thank yoy for saying it. I am not Jewish and I really struggle with the idea that peoole can't see the enemy for what they are.
Thanks. It's awful.
Lisa…this is a terrible situation you are in. Strangely we all are in a similar situation, if not as immediately existential. The left everywhere hates where they are and are working around the clock to Destroy all that is good. It is existential everywhere though. We are just a bit behind Israel.
Helluva thing to be at the forefront of, though.
The left and its dreams of a two state solution and a Hebrew speaking Sweden went up in smoke in 10/7 We need more Ahavas Yisrael and Achdus and the eradication of Sinas Chinam especially with those who are hashkafically far to the left or the right of us but a willingness to fight their views but not the sinner whose knowledge of anything Jewish is pitifully low or nonexistent RL
Did "the left" learn anything from their mistakes that got them raped and massacred en masse and continues to get Jews killed? Did they about face from their decision that the invisible constitution of Israel states that "the right of Jewish subjects of the state to bear arms shall not be abided"? Did they stop using the army as a political tool? Have they stopped using the arabs as a mechanism for class warfare? Have they decided that an effective military is more important than "keeping those disgusting dosim" out of the Matkal? Have they utilized a population triple that of 1973 to win a single war since then? Have they acted as if the arabs *do* want to kill us all and aren't acting out due to "socioeconomic conditions"?
You leftists got yourselves slaughtered, you leftists continue to sleep in the bed you made for yourselves. The pity and sorrow dried up after a year and a half of political games during an existential war. You might want to be king of the ashes, but in this neighborhood that's a one way trip to getting the Assad treatment, at best.
Blocked. Get fucked shean. Reality hurts no matter how much you brush it under the rug, especially in the Middle East.
Israel was attacked, Israelis were slaughtered. Your hatred of Arabs seems only to be outweighed by your hatred of "leftist" Jews.
And what "invisible constitution" are you talking about? Did Israel at some point adopt the US Bill of Rights in your mind? And what is your paranoid delusion about religious not being allowed in "matcal"?
What caused the 7th to be so terrible (although maybe you disagree, it seems like you enjoyed it) was multifaceted, but clearly a big part was the army being repositioned away from the strip. Unless you're saying Ben Gvir is a "leftist", then you're throwing a lot of shade at the wrong party.
So... Ben Gvir moved the army away from the strip? Dude, I suggested that you touch grass, not smoke it.
Yes... He pushed for it to be moved into Judea and Samaria because he was concerned about violence there over the holidays.
This isn't new information. How do you not know this?
Asking for increased IDF presence does not mean leaving an entire border undefended. Are you crazy?
Are you under the impression that the IDF has infinite manpower, or do you not understand how finite resources work?
Are you completely unaware that the IDF brass was told over and over that an attack was coming, and that they shut those warnings down? Are you utterly oblivious to the fact that people were threatened with severe repercussions should they continue raising the alarm? Because those are the facts. Not your hysterical nonsense about Ben Gvir dragging the IDF away from Gaza.
"The IDF, which has been pushing for a 'small and smart army' and has been saying 'Hamas is deterred' for almost a decade now, didn't have enough soldiers so moving 2 companies (160 men) to guard a second front caused Oct 7. This is Ben Gvir's fault."
Like I said, you're disabled.
Oh good, it's the army's fault now.
I mean... it's not *not* their fault.
No, ofc it's not their fault. It's that other group with the state monopoly on violence that shuttered multiple divisions, sold off its reservists gear, sent half the soldiers home Erev Shabbat, confiscated the kitots guns in 2018... and do you want me to keep going?
My apologies, I saw you follow Malcolm Nance. I hadn't realized you're genuinely disabled.
Do any of you hateful people here actually do anything for this country? Did you spend this last year in uniform? Did you open your homes? Do you volunteer with emergency services?
Because I've never seen such sick garbage come out of anyone who does. I must assume you all are in insular communities, because otherwise I don't know how you could all be so pleased at an attack on Jews, and decide that it was deserved because you disagree politically!
No one is pleased about it. Tell me a single thing I said in my blog that even suggests that I'm pleased about it. I'm *angry*. But not just at the vermin who attacked us. I'm angry that asshats like you are so full of hatred (and so willing to project that hatred onto us) that you only care about Oct 7 *because* it was attacks against the "good" Israelis. The "right kind" of Israelis.
Listen to you fulminating. "Do any of you do anything for this country". That's the rhetoric of slime like Tommy Lapid and his spawn. Yes, I opened my home. Yes, I volunteer. Yes, I give blood. I had to get a note from my doctor, because they require that if you're older than 60, but I wanted to do what I could.
You've turned this into some bullshit about me criticizing our soldiers, which I never did, or rejoicing over the peacetards who were killed, which I never did.
There's something seriously wrong with you.
What's wrong with me is people like you. You absolutely view the 7th as deserved, you likened it to suicide.
You make up your masturabtory fantasy that if the 7th had occurred elsewhere that left wing Israelis wouldn't care, because that justifies your hatred of the left.
Sadly, Shaun, it's no fantasy. And what spurred me to write this blog entry was specifically the fact that even some of the people who were attacked on Oct 7 are saying that they understand that people like you would have just made snarky comments about it had right wing or religious communities been the victims.
You're going to tell Avida Bachar, who lost his wife and son on Oct 7, that he's spouting "masturbatory fantasies"?
And I didn't liken it to suicide for everyone. But for Vivian Silver, and other vicious "kill the state for peace" idiots, I absolutely did. And do. And will.
>leftist states "If it happened there, we would have said they deserved it"
>leftists irl state when an attack happens in Yehuda and Shomron eg 2 weeks ago, "well what did they expect living there"
You, the Nance reader (freier extraordinare), "why are you making up this idea that leftists are fine with you being murdered!"
I pay enough in taxes. No. Yes. Yes. The important question for you, did you refrain from throwing jello at the wall today?
Yes, everyone who doesn't fellate bibi is retarded. Seriously, is it tiring to type with your throat full?
You seem really unhappy. Go do something you enjoy.
What is it with the oral fixation of low iq people? "You presented cold hard facts that prove me a retard? You must give blowjobs!" Remember, don't chuck your jello at the aides in a fit of rage again, otherwise you go back to the padded room.
Bibi is to blame for this situation. Not as badly as the IDF leadership, not as badly as Esther Hayut for whom you so pine for, and especially not as badly as you kochot Kaplan people, but he is in part to blame.
Did Ben Gvir run Ofir Winter out of the IDF for wanting to aggressively combat hamas in 2014 and constantly block the the promotions of anyone to the right of Bibi? Did Ben Gvir disarm the kitot in 2018? Was it Ben Gvir that declared Ben Gvir's work to expand private gun ownership (which ended more than a dozen terror attacks) following the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, illegal? Did Ben Gvir tell the IDF theyd be investigated if they didnt stop kneecapping people approaching the gaza border? No? Weird.
Israel, a kritarchy, has no visibly written constitution. Fortunately for the dumb, blind, and helpless Jews, the benevolent Supreme Court justices have special glasses that allow them to read the invisible Israeli constitution.
You and your tribe caused the the worst atrocities against the Jewish people since the Holocaust on your most ardent supporters. Own it.
Kritarchy. New word for me. Thanks.
You have a long list of grievances. I do too. The difference between us is that I don't think my list means that you should be raped and killed, or that if you were, it would be your fault.
I suppose number one on my list, is that you do think I deserve that (based upon nothing more than I disagree that left had it coming).
Expressed preference versus revealed preference. You state you don't want Jews to be raped and murdered while simultaneously supporting every policy that guarantees they'll be raped and murdered. Therefore we can intuit that you support the rape and murder of Jews.
What policy do you think I support? Honestly, you're an absolute cunt.
If you strap a steak to your balls in front of a rabid dog and tell everyone who tells you "that dog's going to bite you" that they're "canists", when it bites you in the balls, that's on you.
כל הכבוד לך. חג חנוכה שמח.
תודה. גם לך.
Rock on, you right-wing settler extremist Torah-loving Maccabi Kahanist!
Death to the kofrim Jew-haters!
And Chanuka sameach.
Keep up the good work.
:-)
Barak as an Israeli George Soros. Yeah. I can see that.
Good post. Right on point.
Thanks.
1. What genocide? If we wanted to go after all Arab states, then we have a hell of job ahead of us. But there is absolutely no reason to do such a thing. Jews are currenty only responsible for what takes place in the Land of Israel and only those outside of Israel who threaten us. Oh. I guess you're thinking about these "people," the ones we're not allowed to defend ourselves against. We're just supposed to sit there and take it and then do a half ass job, and then wait for them to do it again. https://esseragaroth.substack.com/p/the-pseudostinians
2. I'm a real Zionist, believing that Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish People, the source of which is repeated many times in the Torah.
3. Funny, today I ate with friends in a restaurant along with quite a few Arabs, including those visibly religious Muslims. You they can eat kosher meat, since it is slaughtered in God's name. They would prefer Hallal, I would imagine, but Kosher does the job.
4. I was telling these friends how much I cannot stand hasbarah, slobbering over non-Jews to get them to believe the "truth" and that we're like them. But I am happy to take the time to communicate this to someone who might possibly be a Jew.
Lisa, I think you need to meet more people in Israel, I really do. Most of us Israelis are centrists, and those on the left and right can be wonderful people, all who believe firmly in a Jewish future. I have friends from settlements in the West Bank and uber-leftists in Tel Aviv. I encourage you to meet more people, forge more connections, hold more dialogue - I understand the bitterness you're holding, but the way forward is unity and respect and love for each other. Don't contribute to the problem; be part of the solution.
You may. And I have friends who are leftists as well. Not uber-leftists, because if we're using the term the same way, they have ill will towards the very idea of a Jewish state.
My Israeli leftie niece literally said it.
I seriously dislike this text. First, the’s no “left” in Israel. Just some individuals like Ofer Casif. The population is divided to hawkish and moderates. What this person wanted to convey was that the massacre caused them to wake up from false assumptions. When they realized that the Gazans who had worked for them had also spied for Hamas indicating who lives in each house, who has a dog etc. their understanding about these people came to a chilling realization who we are against. I call myself a moderate, but I have no empathy whatsoever to the Muslims. If they can’t find a meaningful leadership, they will suffer and it’s their own fault!!
And, yes, Ehud Barak is NOT George Soros! I’m not especially fond of him as a character, but he is the exact opposite of this ghetto Jew Soros. After all, Ehud Barak is the country’s most decorated soldier.
I'm sorry you dislike it. You also think Zionism is a failed idea. I'm not entirely sure why that's supposed to matter to me, but okay, you raised the issue.
No, there *is* a left in Israel. They've been trying to push the Overton Window to the point that a milquetoast like Netanyahu can be labeled "extreme right wing" with a straight face. A man who has been carrying out leftist policies since he was elected.
Ehud Barak is absolutely George Soros. "Most decorated soldier"? He's a traitorous swine. Read my article Ehud Barak's Plot Against Israel for some details. He has funded the Kaplanistas for the past 2-3 years. He is a destroyer. He'd let the whole country burn just to watch the pretty flames.
Yes, I think zionism is a failed idea. The Jews did not come to Israel when it was possible. I consider that a failure. The wast majority of Jews came as refugees, not least the mizrachi/sfaradi Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the arab world. That is the majority of Israels ethnically background.
To me, zionism is patriotism (as the word more or less means in Hebrew). Our present government consists of people like the haredim who never spent a day in the army as well as Ben-Gvir and Smotrich. You see, serving in the army is an obligation as well as a privilege. Everybody in my family has served.
I do agree that Netanyahu is a “lefty”. I don’t care what he is, but the guy cannot make a simple decision just about anything. Therefore, he is not a leader. He specializes on riding on the success of the nation and taking credit if it. Just my personal opinion.
By the way, the army is also keeping peace in YoSh. Every soldier does it regardless of their political views. I did so when I was called and thought that that’s how it should be. As long as a certain segment of the population are exempted from service, do not taint the segment that has done innumerable amount of service days (often risking their lives!).
Just like every soldier participated in the 2005 ethnic cleansing of Gush Katif?
And while the haredim are who everyone talks about, there are more effete, elite, Shenkin types who pay a shrink to say they're too delicate to serve than there are haredim who don't. And let's please not forget the Arabs. They're equal citizens or they aren't equal citizens. The fact that they don't even do alternative national service to "carry the burden" and no one cries out about it shows that the haredi thing is a little more anti-haredism than simply wanting an equally shared burden.
And yes, I'm aware that some of them serve. It's a pathetically small number, and it's utterly optional.
Also, there've been many, *many* attempts to get the IDF to make itself suitable for haredim to serve. They have adamantly insisted on maintaining the IDF as a socializing tool, designed to de-haredi-ize the haredim. No wonder they don't serve. Let them serve without violating their religious convictions, and they will.
Look, Lisa, I don’t have any doubts that you hate people like me. You’re ready to tolerate us as long as we contribute to your plans. But to appreciate different way of thinking is not in the lexicon.
Pay attention to tiny difference between the Shenkinist who pay to the shrink and the haredim. The Shenkinist and the shrink blatantly break the law and they are not driving a law in the Knesset to make it legal. The haredim are violating the law as a group and try to make it legal! The army didn’t make any adjustments when I went in or for any of my family members. I couldn’t even ask for such favor. That’s the way it has to be.
And, yes, I agree. The arabs have to serve as well. The Druse do and their casualty number is proportionally higher than that of Jews. Hence, I would hope you changed the “hok haleom” accordingly (before the hok hahistamtut).
I believe the “ethnic cleansing” in Gush Katif was executed by a Likud government. A government of the “left” could never had done it. In any case, it was the decision of the legal government.
I have only one question that still bothers me. When the Jews live in every corner of YoSh and Gaza, what will be the status of the arab population there. Like: Will they become Israeli citizens? Will they be expelled? See, I live in the real world and, therefore, those questions must be addressed up front. I have had enough of the “Oh, it will be OK” concept.
First of all, I don't hate people like you. I find when leftists accuse us of hating them, it's more projection than anything else.
Second of all, the founders of this country explicitly wanted haredi Judaism to die out. But it's not going anywhere. And faced with "The army didn't make any adjustments for me; that's the way it has to be" and not serving, what do you think they're going to do?
Like it or not, they -- along with their religious culture -- are an integral part of the Jewish People, and they are not going to suffer their culture to be destroyed by people who disdain them. Nor should they.
As far חוק הלאום, I think it was pretty stupidly done.
In fact, the ethnic cleansing in 2005 was done by Sharon. He allowed the Likud to have a referendum, and then chose to ignore the results. Or did you think we lived in a democracy?
And as far as I'm concerned, there are two options with regard to the Arabs of Judea and Samaria:
1. A "Palestinian state" is created elsewhere (as in the Three State Solution -- https://starways.net/3SS/), in which case we treat them like foreign residents, who can stay as non-citizens unless they engage in any sort of anti-Israel activity whatsoever, in which case we deport them to Palestine
2. We declare their Jordanian citizenship to have been illegally stripped from them by King Hussein (which it was) and treat them, as foreign residents, who can stay as non-citizens unless they engage in any sort of anti-Israel activity, in which case we deport them to Jordan.
But Jews must be able to live anywhere in our land. And there must be a zero tolerance policy for PalNazi attacks. Anyone engaging them, or publicly celebrating them, or found to have conspired in them, needs to be deported. It's kind of insane that this even needs to be said. No nation is required to allow the presence of people trying to destroy it.
But I agree with you on one point. This "Oh, it will be okay" bullshit needs to end. The fact that Netanyahu had no "Day After" plan doesn't mean that no one did. It simply meant that he didn't. That he *couldn't*. Because the only sane "Day After" plan goes so much against his "nation like all the nations" fixation. I refer you to https://lisaliel.substack.com/p/moshe-feiglin-is-back for some actual leadership.
OK, can I trust that we are not called “bogdim” and “smolanim” because it feels really to send people like my son to Gaza (twice) when part of the nation feels like that towards us.
Please, don’t use the term “ethnic clenching” in this context. Both side had the same ethnicity, so it doesn’t fit.
To me your idea of three state solution is just a pipe dream. When serious countries, like the US, show any interest in it. I don’t have a problem. I’m more worried about keeping permanent residents indefinitely. To me, it will backfire catastrophically. So, we’ll see how this plays out. I’m not optimistic as I don’t want any if them as Israeli citizens.
The founders of this country did not think that way. Actually they had more burning things to care for. There used to be no haredi ministers in the government, because in their opinion the state was created in sin. Never mind, not a critical point for me.
I’m amazed, though, that the haredim are so weak in their conviction that they cannot be trusted to serve in the army, because they will leave their way of life??? That’s the depth of your conviction? So, they stay haredim only if they are kept there by force and coercion.
That’s fine! Your way of using language in characterizing your opposition (like Barak and myself) within your (??) own people makes me feel, like I said earlier, hated. So, let’s leave it at that.
I find this disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. The "left" who thinks of you as "subhuman", and so you feel free to attack includes those who have spent the last 400 plus days in uniform, fighting and dying for everyone in this country.
The naive on the left, the ones that were slaughtered and raped and tortured on the 7th, they made mistakes. But you speak poorly of them now, equate that day to suicide (I cannot fathom how you could write that without vomiting) while the "right" is doing everything it can to actually allow this country to slowly kill itself. Trying to allow even more Haredi draft dodging, so that, within 20 years HALF of this country will neither serve in the IDF nor contribute to financially.
Honestly, at least the Arabs are honest in their genocidal attempt. It's hard not to prefer them to fifth column like you, that sees the 7th as a chance to cast aspersions on the victims.
On the contrary. I think you'll find that the heroic soldiers who are fighting are identifying less and less with the left that hates us so much.
But hey, thanks for making my point for me.
Those soldiers I'm sure not including you.
Being that I'm 61 years old, you're right.
And did it ever?
How can you have such a stunning lack of empathy for half the country? You have written the most vile and disgusting post here. You attack your fellow Jews (if you are a Jew), and imply that they deserved the 7th. You are the wicked child on Passover, "what does all this mean to YOU". The 7th was an attack on Bnei Yisrael. If you don't feel as though it was an attack on you, then you are no better than JVP, or bTselem.
There's a huge load of irony in you saying this. You know damn well that if the attack had been on Bnei Yisrael in, say, Gush Etzion, you wouldn't have given two shits.
You can go to hell. That is a load of shit. Everything you have said has been nothing but lies (more secular Israelis dodge than haredi? Are you fucking mental?)
You fucking seem to be reveling that it's left wingers who were killed, and then get on your high horse and accuse the people who were actually killed of hypothetically not caring! You actually don't give a shit about this. You are absolute trash.
The IDF spans the political spectrum, from the far left to the far right. The only population noticeably missing is the draft dodging Haredi. You do not speak for the army, you do not speak for miluimnikim, and your divisive rhetoric only serves the enemies of Israel.
20% of our population is Arab, yet other than a tiny number of exceptions, they don't even do sherut leumi.
As far as draft dodging, more wealthy secularists get out of the army by paying for a shrink's note saying they're too damn delicate to serve than haredim who don't serve.
The army has insisted, for as long as the state has existed, on being a tool of socialization. Secular socialization. There has never been a real attempt to make the army accessible to the haredim. That's because the army doesn't want to. And because the left would rather have them to use as a rallying cry.
Sort of like you're doing right now.