Exactly, why does Israel risk the lives of its youth in order to appease a world which falsely accuses it of "genocide" anyway, no matter how much the IDF goes out of its way to protect a population which fully supports hamas. Thanks for coining a new term. I like the term palinazis and will be using it.
https://esseragaroth.substack.com/p/will-israel-continue-to-fight-americas Maybe I'll start using the term meat grinder instead of canon fodder. People get so upset that I am insulting IDF soldiers. But I am not. I am coming for the government, the IDF leadership, and the Israeli educational system... oh yeah, and mamlakhti (State = Torah, to varying degrees) rabbis. But then when I give the soldiers a break by calling them pawns, I am insulting them. Which is it? Are they brainwashed or complicit? The same arguments were made about them in 2005. Were the soldiers complicit in expelling Jews from their homes, because they choice to follow orders in contravention to Torah? Or were their rabbis at fault for instructing them that it was Torah to follow the State line? There are other important things you bring up/remind us here. But I think this one I'm taking away, and spreading it around. We're in really bad shape here, more than most are willing to admit.
We need to stop caring about the enemy. Gaza is simple. Seal it. Hermetically. If they want food, they can trade hostages, or information leading to hostages, for it. A sandwich for a hostage and a cup of water for information leading to a hostage.
I'm not being flip. There has never in the history of mankind been such a twisted morality of helping to feed and care for people who are trying to murder you. It's a pathology, and there'll be books written on it some day.
Every single place we take in Gaza, we keep. Period. There are soldiers who have conquered the same place four times just during this war. That's madness. You don't conquer a place, say, "See, I conquered it. Now I'm going. Don't make me come back." Every single place we control becomes an integral part of the State of Israel, immediately.
I don't know if you're aware, but Israeli law dating from 1949 says that the Defense Minister, without even getting the approval of anyone else, has only to declare land under our control to be part of Israel, and legally, it's done.
These are easy calls for armchair generals who don’t have to send the youth of the nation to war and possibly die or bear the responsibility for the lives of the hostages while almost half the nation claims the government is too war like and overly aggressive and the hostage forum and Kaplan group block the streets and oppose virtually any military actions. I want Hamas destroyed, I want IDF to finish this job as well but a little humility is in order from those of us not sitting in the hot seat.
Go ahead and pretend that the option is between doing something useful and sending ground troops in to be chewed up. It's not true, but suit yourself.
The lives of the hostages, even all of them combined, do not outweigh the harm being done to Israel.
And fuck Hamas being destroyed. Seriously. Anyone who talks about destroying Hamas is simply trying to whitewash the real villains. It's like claiming that the enemy in WWII was the Reichstag. It's morally bereft. It's sickening. The enemy is the PalNazis. In truth, it goes beyond them, but the immediate enemy is the PalNazis. Not the fucking Hamas.
I am not distinguishing between Hamas and the general population of Gaza which supports them and is in bed with them. The Trump plan to remove them is a kindness to them and civilization which they would destroy (including ours). Ranting - which is understandable given hell Jewish people have been put through - is still not intelligent discourse. Bibi is not Jabotinsky or Begin, but then again no one is.
And what about those of us who wore the uniform and left our families for months and lost friends? Do you expect our motivation to continue serving this corrupt and treasonous state will go on forever?
The state has many flaws. There is certainly corruption, as there is in every country. But paranoia is neither helpful nor productive. Hating our state will not brig back our lost ones. Rav Kook 's view was that there was no intrinsic value to any state, except our state, the state of the Jewish people. Our state is holy, and we must strive to advance it. There is no denying how hard this has been, and perhaps many have lost faith - I believe the God of Israel not done with us, and certainly He is not done with our enemies.
It's something I struggle with often. Not that I'm so important to the army. I think the reasons for refusal matter. I'd love to see the Hesder yeshivos issue an ultimatum that unless some changes are made they will not send their students to the army. Unfortunately the chances of that happening are low.
Patently illegal orders פקודות אי-חוקיות בעליל are ones that are immoral so immoral that everyone can see it. You can't have an army, though, if everyone in it is deciding on a case by case basis whether they consider it ethical. That's anarchy.
Go into the army. Refuse to go into tunnels. Refuse to go into places that could be destroyed from the air and are only being spared in order to spare PalNazis.
In the former Soviet Union (and many other totalitarian states) every tiny act of rebellion against the evil regime was viewed as a victory, and everyone sought new ways to defy the dictates of a government they could see was irrationally attempting to micromanage the lives of its citizens and force them to accept and strive toward patently absurd goals. Were those "microagressions" against the almighty sovereign soviet ethical?
Absolutely.
Because every jab at evil, however weak, is good.
So, too, here, where the sovereign has proved itself at every turn to be an enemy of Torah, Jews and G-d.
Ethical not to serve?
You're darn right.
And if anyone tells you that means we risk not having an army, then let them know, politely, that they clearlt have no G-d.
Somewhere in my viewing history I saw in 1980 or heard a quip that Lebanese army tanks were in a 1980 Jerusalem Independence Day parade and I've been unable to verify that but the odd things you hear that come true or are completely nefarious are plentiful
Brigitte Gabriel &Gad Saad are out telling the truth but not hearing any voices from within Lebanon being reasonable. The second largest embassy in the world is there with 15,000 employees and sits on 40 acres with five subterranean floors and they couldn't catch the two Hezbollah guys for 30 years with millions in reward money, who's going to be at that ceremony and when? As much as you like to point to reality and I'm aware of Egypt it's all happening and what a time to sponge the atmosphere of wow
I said it with certainty and I can't verify it now so I retract until proven correct but everything I read today I reviewed and there's zero but I know but I can't prove what I saw and here we are standing up to Lebanon and being prepared to smote Gaza should be elemental as we both lament.
Exactly, why does Israel risk the lives of its youth in order to appease a world which falsely accuses it of "genocide" anyway, no matter how much the IDF goes out of its way to protect a population which fully supports hamas. Thanks for coining a new term. I like the term palinazis and will be using it.
I wish I could take credit for it.
https://esseragaroth.substack.com/p/will-israel-continue-to-fight-americas Maybe I'll start using the term meat grinder instead of canon fodder. People get so upset that I am insulting IDF soldiers. But I am not. I am coming for the government, the IDF leadership, and the Israeli educational system... oh yeah, and mamlakhti (State = Torah, to varying degrees) rabbis. But then when I give the soldiers a break by calling them pawns, I am insulting them. Which is it? Are they brainwashed or complicit? The same arguments were made about them in 2005. Were the soldiers complicit in expelling Jews from their homes, because they choice to follow orders in contravention to Torah? Or were their rabbis at fault for instructing them that it was Torah to follow the State line? There are other important things you bring up/remind us here. But I think this one I'm taking away, and spreading it around. We're in really bad shape here, more than most are willing to admit.
Morals, what? What morals are you talking about?
Pardon?
So Q? What would you do right now, if you were Bibi’s shoes. How would you resolve the Status Quo 🤔
That's a reasonable question.
https://lisaliel.substack.com/p/from-the-river-to-the-sea
https://lisaliel.substack.com/p/let-their-people-go
https://lisaliel.substack.com/p/how-to-restore-peace-and-security
We need to stop caring about the enemy. Gaza is simple. Seal it. Hermetically. If they want food, they can trade hostages, or information leading to hostages, for it. A sandwich for a hostage and a cup of water for information leading to a hostage.
I'm not being flip. There has never in the history of mankind been such a twisted morality of helping to feed and care for people who are trying to murder you. It's a pathology, and there'll be books written on it some day.
Every single place we take in Gaza, we keep. Period. There are soldiers who have conquered the same place four times just during this war. That's madness. You don't conquer a place, say, "See, I conquered it. Now I'm going. Don't make me come back." Every single place we control becomes an integral part of the State of Israel, immediately.
I don't know if you're aware, but Israeli law dating from 1949 says that the Defense Minister, without even getting the approval of anyone else, has only to declare land under our control to be part of Israel, and legally, it's done.
Thank You. You’re not being “flip” at all👍 I really appreciate your reply there’s a lot of real sense to it.
Thanks Again.
🇦🇺🤝🇮🇱
These are easy calls for armchair generals who don’t have to send the youth of the nation to war and possibly die or bear the responsibility for the lives of the hostages while almost half the nation claims the government is too war like and overly aggressive and the hostage forum and Kaplan group block the streets and oppose virtually any military actions. I want Hamas destroyed, I want IDF to finish this job as well but a little humility is in order from those of us not sitting in the hot seat.
Go ahead and pretend that the option is between doing something useful and sending ground troops in to be chewed up. It's not true, but suit yourself.
The lives of the hostages, even all of them combined, do not outweigh the harm being done to Israel.
And fuck Hamas being destroyed. Seriously. Anyone who talks about destroying Hamas is simply trying to whitewash the real villains. It's like claiming that the enemy in WWII was the Reichstag. It's morally bereft. It's sickening. The enemy is the PalNazis. In truth, it goes beyond them, but the immediate enemy is the PalNazis. Not the fucking Hamas.
I am not distinguishing between Hamas and the general population of Gaza which supports them and is in bed with them. The Trump plan to remove them is a kindness to them and civilization which they would destroy (including ours). Ranting - which is understandable given hell Jewish people have been put through - is still not intelligent discourse. Bibi is not Jabotinsky or Begin, but then again no one is.
Language.
Allo! Allo! Let’s watch our language….!
And what about those of us who wore the uniform and left our families for months and lost friends? Do you expect our motivation to continue serving this corrupt and treasonous state will go on forever?
The state has many flaws. There is certainly corruption, as there is in every country. But paranoia is neither helpful nor productive. Hating our state will not brig back our lost ones. Rav Kook 's view was that there was no intrinsic value to any state, except our state, the state of the Jewish people. Our state is holy, and we must strive to advance it. There is no denying how hard this has been, and perhaps many have lost faith - I believe the God of Israel not done with us, and certainly He is not done with our enemies.
Bibi is the Second Coming... of Arik Sharon (minus the military victories).
It's something I struggle with often. Not that I'm so important to the army. I think the reasons for refusal matter. I'd love to see the Hesder yeshivos issue an ultimatum that unless some changes are made they will not send their students to the army. Unfortunately the chances of that happening are low.
No. But it's right to refuse patently illegal orders.
Patently illegal orders פקודות אי-חוקיות בעליל are ones that are immoral so immoral that everyone can see it. You can't have an army, though, if everyone in it is deciding on a case by case basis whether they consider it ethical. That's anarchy.
Go into the army. Refuse to go into tunnels. Refuse to go into places that could be destroyed from the air and are only being spared in order to spare PalNazis.
How is this difficult?
For that matter, how can you or I, when we don't have the available intelligence?
In the former Soviet Union (and many other totalitarian states) every tiny act of rebellion against the evil regime was viewed as a victory, and everyone sought new ways to defy the dictates of a government they could see was irrationally attempting to micromanage the lives of its citizens and force them to accept and strive toward patently absurd goals. Were those "microagressions" against the almighty sovereign soviet ethical?
Absolutely.
Because every jab at evil, however weak, is good.
So, too, here, where the sovereign has proved itself at every turn to be an enemy of Torah, Jews and G-d.
Ethical not to serve?
You're darn right.
And if anyone tells you that means we risk not having an army, then let them know, politely, that they clearlt have no G-d.
Clearly*
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/lebanon/us-supports-idfs-continued-presence-in-south-lebanon-as-long-as-hezbollah-remains/2025/02/14/
I thought I read it there yesterday but didn't see it reading it after rereading it but evidently I did read it and now you can too
Somewhere in my viewing history I saw in 1980 or heard a quip that Lebanese army tanks were in a 1980 Jerusalem Independence Day parade and I've been unable to verify that but the odd things you hear that come true or are completely nefarious are plentiful
Brigitte Gabriel &Gad Saad are out telling the truth but not hearing any voices from within Lebanon being reasonable. The second largest embassy in the world is there with 15,000 employees and sits on 40 acres with five subterranean floors and they couldn't catch the two Hezbollah guys for 30 years with millions in reward money, who's going to be at that ceremony and when? As much as you like to point to reality and I'm aware of Egypt it's all happening and what a time to sponge the atmosphere of wow
https://youtu.be/qAjrB8-R9Kw?si=zBxv5yFogRc540FH
Remarkable interaction between a survivor and a student propagandist
NATO headquarters in Belgium is a monstrosity too.
My understanding is that condoleezza Rice told Sharon get out from Gaza, have you heard a variant?
I said it with certainty and I can't verify it now so I retract until proven correct but everything I read today I reviewed and there's zero but I know but I can't prove what I saw and here we are standing up to Lebanon and being prepared to smote Gaza should be elemental as we both lament.